Last night’s show was a good one. We had two main differing opinions on the coaching merits of Juan Carlos Osorio after these 2 CONCACAF qualifiers. While both sides agree that the El Salvador win could not be used to measure Osorio’s true impact on the team, the Honduras game in Honduras was supposed to be a tough game. However a few weeks back we interviewed “Catracho” who gave his prediction that Honduras would not qualify to the Hex. That prediction and the fact that Honduras lost to Canada validated the fact that maybe this Honduras team wasn’t as strong as in times past.
We had a Monday night show to talk about our thoughts with the El Salvador game and also to preview the Honduras game. We do this show live on Youtube streaming/hangouts so you can listen live, or after a day or 2 it will be on SoccerChronicle.com and iTunes.
We will also have a show tonight talking the Honduras game and if Osorio has been approved and accepted yet. 😉 Show starts at 9PM Central time.
Today is the day Mexico plays a weakened El Salvador team in the grand Estadio Azteca. El Salvador has historically been one of the weaker teams in CONCACAF. After some player disputes, many of the experienced players refused to play so the El Salvador team will take on even younger and less experienced players. Making this team an even weaker opponent for Mexico, possibly.
What does this mean for Mexico?
- The Problem of Mexico playing to the level of their opponent.
Maybe Mexico doesn’t see the urgency when playing agains lower level teams or they expect a goal to eventually come, relatively easily. When Mexico plays Brazil, Spain or other bigger teams, they usually play with “garra”, “ganas” and give a good performance.
- Will Mexico underestimate El Salvador.
Mexico knows the problems the El Salvador federation is having. Many are asking not if Mexico will win, but how many goals they will score. Even if Chicharito will reach Borgetti’s record.
- Is there a Mexican arrogance in the air.
We have seen multiple lineups released by different sources. New players on defense, variety of combinations on offense. Chicharito on the bench possibly, along with Layun. Usually during friendlies you will see experimentation by NT coaches, trying out new lineups, formations, etc. This is the beginning of World Cup Qualifying. A legitimate tournament. Sure it’s a weakened El Salvador, but is it arrogant to put one lineup today and one vs Honduras, even if it’s just 4 player changes? Or is it not that important that a single linup of players gel and get fully used to playing under a new DT and a new strategy? Is this experimentation time or time to buckle up for a hard fought tournament to get to Russia?
Time will tell. Stay tuned tonight!
An exciting episode as we debate Lapuente’s statements about this generation of Mexico’s National Team as being the worst in it’s history. Some of the guys sided with the recent generation and others with Lapuente and some of his points.
During the broadcast, Chivas fanboy Juan had an episode of jubilee as Marco Fabian scored a golazo, of the likes that happens once every 10 to 15 games. 🙂 We also talked and critiqued Juan Carlos Osorio and many decisions he has made. In true Mexican form, criticism was let loose even before his first game.
Props go to John, the host, Jagou for inserting some cool sound clips during the broadcast.
Have a listen.
In this episode we discussed the latest news surrounding El Tri and the first practice and press conference with Juan Carlos Osorio. We discussed the omission of Gio, also Paul and Layun competing for the right back spot and other unique items from this latest Coaching regime.
We have a new addition on the panel, SoCal Dan, who joined in the pachanga and provided some good insight.
We also discussed a bit of what has been going on in Liga MX, such as Chivas failing in their game with Dorados, and more.
Enjoy, and feel free to join the live chat during the show or interact on twitter.
If you are familiar with the Mexican League and the Liguilla/Playoff, then you know of the “Super Lider curse”. Being at the top of the General Table usually is a good thing. In La Liga, it means you are the champion. Not in the Mexican League. It just means now you have to go into the playoff and win the Championship in a series of home/away games.
The curse is that throughout history it is percieved that the team at the top of the table (aka #1 seed) always fails to win the Cup via playoff and bows out early in quarterfinals or Semis.
So I went back 10 years to get a look at how legit this is. I know as far as my memory goes, the teams that I recall being Super Lider always would fail in the playoffs. My first memories were back when Cuautemoc led lowly Veracruz to an excellent season, only to bow out early in playoffs. This year, Pumas is at the top and being a fan of UNAM I want them to do great. However, I have seen this curse take effect and bring teams down. Or have I?
Going to the cold hard stats, lets look at the past 10 years. In 21 seasons (Apertura/Clausura) the Super Lider has won the Cup 4 times. That is a 19% success rate, not very good, but surprising. I was thinking it would be more like 0%. Maybe some exageration on my part regarding this so called curse? Not even very far back, America beat Tigres to win the Championship in Apertura 2014. Further back in Clausura 2012, Santos did it vs Monterrey. Then we have a gap until we get to Clausura 2007 where Pachuca beats America to win it all. Then just a year passes and we have Pachuca beating San Luis in Clausura 2006.
So as you can see, it can be done, and it has been done. Pumas is now the determined Super Lider in this Apertura 2015 playoffs, so we will see if it can be done again. Can a #1 seeded team take on playoffs and win the Tournament?
On a side note, should the playoffs even exist? Should Mexico go the way of La Liga and crown the team that ends season at the top of the table? We’ll save that topic for another post. 😀
Here are the stats I looked up on the Super Lider from each season:
On Episode 6 of Los Cachirules Big Soccer Mexico’s ‘Catrachito’ joins the cast to talk about all things Honduras and lets listeners know what to expect from the Tricolors fourth round qualifying group rivals. Joely laments the demise of Chiva~Cola as Goat sympathizers Christian and Juan praise coach Matias Almeyda’s influence in the club’s Copa MX win. The always mysterious John Jagou talks about pointy ball, Albert is not impressed with Cortes ‘Maradonian’ goal, Fernando drops Zingers, and Rony finally stops talking about lose balls as the group tries to forget Mexico’s U-17 Bullying by Nigeria.
In Mexico, there is a popular aspect of TV that is called “Novelas”. This popularity is does not just occur in Mexico because there are Soap Operas in the US and this thing called reality TV. Fact is drama sells.
So lets look at this Piojo drama that occured over the summer and prior.
- Piojo is meme/internet famous for excitited goal celebrations.
- Piojo gets National Team job and has a good World Cup.
- Piojo tweets politics and gets criticized.
- Piojo’s daughter gains fame by not blocking out the haters, but responding to them.
- Piojo’s Mexico, fails to impress in controversial Gold Cup.
- TV Azteca, specifically Martinolli goes on a tirade against Piojo.
- Piojo gets upset and bullys/beats up Martinolli in the airport.
- Piojo is hated and press mount against him. He is then fired from the NT.
Piojo was awesome with the America and then the NT, he was entertaining. Animated gifs were made of his hilarity. It’s true he didn’t do so well in the Gold Cup, however, lets analyze one of his greatest critics, TV Azteca. We all remember Martinoli when he had a childish fit, when Mexico was failing during WC qualifiers. Saying the likes of “We love you forever, and ever” and “God bless America” as the US scored 2 goals vs Panama, then going on to insult Mexico calling them “petardos” and that they couldn’t qualify on their own merits.
Now if the events that happened on the field weren’t dramatic enough, the hooting and hollering in the background along with the tirade by Martinoli definitely was. US fans loved it, and it blew up. US fans as well as Mexicans, honored Graham Suzi for scoring the 2nd goal. Martinoli went on to say, “The US has past us in Soccer and is better“.
If you ever watch a broadcast with TV Azteca in Mexico you can see how entertaining it really is. In the Pregame of the Mexico vs Trinidad y Tobago game, they showcased Nicki Minaj since she is from T&T, then proceeded to make jokes and innuendo. You would get the same type of jokes during the game. The kind of jokes that you probably won’t hear in the US. Campos is a pretty big part of this circus as well. You may find him on the field reporting, but as you can see, chanclas are the professional attire.
One instance in the broadcast, Martinoli and Luis Garcia were discussing the game at halftime, while Campos was in the middle without a mic, leaning/sitting on a table behind him. Just relaxing while Martinoli and Garcia would talk. When Campos wanted to get a word in, he would just speak and wait for Martinoli to get the mic closer to him.
The point is, Piojo may be a bully, and physically attacking Martinoli is of course unacceptable, but the TV Azteca crew is a joke. Martinoli is a joke. Campos is a clown. All this is great though, it is funny, good TV, and probably gets high ratings. But you can see why Piojo would be perturbed. Then when the incident happens in the airport with Martinoli, the entire press pounces on Piojo. Sure it is justified, but just once I would like to see the Circus at TV Azteca be called out for their foolishness. Although when I think about it, I am not sure I would necessarily want them to change. After all the Circus is the Greatest Show on Earth!
Now as of today, Carlos Albert, who we all know from Futbol Picante. Or atleast used to know, as he was “dramatically” removed from the show. He recently published an article at Milenio insulting Piojo once again. Check out the article here. Albert goes on to call Piojo “injured”, “salty” and still licking his wounds. Albert states that Piojo asked Xolos management to tell TV Azteca to not allow Martinoli on broadcasts involving Xolos. He also states that he sent text stating that he did not want any involvement with Carlos Albert as press. This of course is what spurred Albert to write the article and set his targets back on Piojo. Albert calls him “corriente” and “Miguelito” as his article’s main purpose is to demean Piojo and show what a little man he is.
So what we have here is a good old Novela. Where Piojo and Martinoli have beef, then Carlos Albert comes in to insult as he normally does on twitter and other avenues. Piojo then has beef with Albert and the circle of drama goes round and round. Good entertainment no?
In Ep. 4 of Los Cachirules, we had the pleasure of interviewing @ about the El Salvador National Team situation with the players demanding money and other benefits from the Federation. Even to the point of walking out of their camp in preparation for their game vs Mexico next month. He gives good insight on the National Team drama and other El Salvador news.
We then continue to talk Mexican futbol, specifically the Mexican U17 team that beat host nation Chile and continues their journey to another WC trophy in the U17 division. Also Chivas win their semi-final game vs Toluca. MLS gets discussed as Gio and the LA Galaxy went against Seattle, as well as Mark Geiger making an appearance in the DC United vs New England game.
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So the Quarterfinals are set in the CONCAChafa tournament and it turned out that MLS teams will be facing off against LigaMX teams. Here are the matchups:
Tigres vs Real Salt Lake
Queretaro vs DC United
LA Galaxy vs Santos Laguna
Seattle vs America
These matches wont begin until February of next year, so we have some time before we get to see if MLS can do something other than come in 2nd place or less in this tournament. Costa Rican, Honduran and other Central American teams have since been eliminated.
So whats the purpose of this tournament? The Club World Cup is hardly prestigious. For me the interest is exactly what CONCACAF seems to see; MLS vs LigaMX. Mexico has of course dominated this tournament entirely. MLS seems to creep closer, but Mexican teams always end up taking home the cup. Some call this tournament Mickey Mouse, which I agree that to a certain extent it is. Some Mexican teams don’t take it seriously and bring youger players to gain experience. Then you have complaints about portions of the tournament being played before MLS regular season has even begun, thus giving the Mexican teams an advantage. That excuse, however would make the MLS a mickey mouse league for having such a “unique” schedule to their season.
So either way, we get MLS vs Mexico, and we will see if Mexico maintains Kings of CONCACAF! 🙂
Here is an interesting video from the 2011 tournament and buildup from a Real Salt Lake perspective.