A fun show with some good talk on the state of Chivas and their recent success. Are they back and will they be a challenge the remaining of the season. America used to be in crisis, now they are in the final of the CCL. Tigres has been surpassed by rival, Monterrey, in league standings but proceed to CCL final in an impressive matchup vs America. We even talk about US Womens wage dispute and drama. Tune in for good footy talk and some fun moments.
In this Dos A Zero podcast, episode 26, we discuss what happened with the Clasico Nacional and the good effort put on by Chivas. We also discuss El Tri and the upcoming Qualifiers with Canada. John Jagou will be in Canada covering the game and I will be in the stands in the Estadio Azteca. Saludos!
With a name like the “4 Grandes”, one would think that news of them winning should not be something to write about. Well, they did win. And they all won on the same weekend. Again, you ask “what’s the big deal? These are the premiere teams, the flagship clubs, the most powerful and popular clubs in Liga MX. They are used to winning and winning championships. So WTF, John?”
Well, let me tell you.
Yes, the big 4 won this past weekend. America dispatched Leon at the Azteca 2-1
while Guadalajara surprised league leaders Monterrey in the tamalera 3-1. A guy by the name of “la chofis” scored a riveting brace.
Cruz Azul made Atlas look so bad, favorite son Rafael Marquez begged forgiveness from the largest RednBlack supporters group, Barra 51 (named after the last year they won a league title).
— Diego Ornelas (@diego_ornelas_) March 20, 2016
After giving up an early goal, Pumas put together a 4 goal spurt to down Monarcas.
causing a butterfly to cry in a post-game TV interview.
The big deal is not that they won. It is that they all had wins in the same matchday. Something that had not happened in 4 years. 4 years. Not very big 4-like. We have to go back to Matchday 9 of the 2012 Clausura to see the last time this happened.
In those 4 years, Club America has certainly had the best run. A couple of League titles and a CONCACAF trophy have restored order (if you ask any Americanista) to the world. Cruz Azul and Pumas each have lost a final in that time frame, while Chivas has been in the wilderness, losing games and going through coaches and front office types like a tourist who eat too much street food goes through a roll of toilet paper.
The current table has them in the following positions:
- 3. America 21 pts +7
- 5. Cruz Azul 18 pts +7
- 9. Pumas 15 pts +2
- 12. Chivas 12 pts 0
The 8th place team, Tijuana has 16 pts, so it is conceivable that with 6 dates left, all four sides could make the post-season. When was the last time that happened? The 2011 Clausura, which coincidentally was won by Pumas – another opportunity to make the Butterflies cry…
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In a time when cable channels are losing subscribers to all manner of other content providers, there is one recently launched channel that is squashing the current narrative and proving to be a major success story: Univision Deportes Network.
Launched earlier in the decade, the channel took its time to take root, as one would expect. But carriage agreements with major carriers has been key. Additional distribution for Univision Deportes Network has been one of the main reasons Univision has reported quarterly profits over the past year, so it is easy to see why network programmers have been steadily moving their sports properties off the over the air channels, Univision and UniMas.
The ratings for the Club America win over their arch rival Guadalajara have been announced. And the broadcast took all other soccer games to the woodshed
Sunday cable soccer (1 of 2):
Liga MX Guadalajara/America on UDN: 1.184m
BPL on NBCSN: Tottenham-Aston Villa: 280K
— Sports TV Ratings (@SportsTVRatings) March 15, 2016
Sun cable soccer (2of2)
Man U-West Ham FS1 347K
Arsenal/Waterford FS1 280K
NYCFC/Toronto ESPN2 197K
San Jose/Portland FS1 175K
— Sports TV Ratings (@SportsTVRatings) March 15, 2016
For those who are math disabled, the Cremas-Cabras Clásico has 6 times the audience of the nationally broadcast MLS games, and nearly 4 times the audience of one of the US’ most popular sides, Manchester United, and their draw with the hammers in the FA Cup.
The ratings may have been even higher were it not for a carriage dispute between AT&T and Univision. Those folks on U-Verse did not get to see America’s 2-0 win at all.
It would have been unspeakable just a few years ago to air the biggest, most important match of the Liga MX calendar on anything other than Univision, but the runaway success of UDN has changed the paradigm. The momentum will carry through, at least through the summer as Copa America will also air on the Univision family of networks.
Despite the great news, it is not all flowers and sunshine for Univision, However. Telemundo outbid Univision for the rights to the World Cup starting in 2018. Telemundo will have very large shoes to fill. UDN’s coverage of Brazil14 was easily the most comprehensive (and best) in the history of US televison.
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What a fun game for an indifferent Pumas fan. So let’s begin.
The game starts out very well for Chivas. The showed heart and hustle as an obvious underdog, battling relegation. It is a sign of a good attitude in the locker room to motivate a team that has been struggling, to step it up against their greatest rival. Who knows if it was Almeyda or Captian Omar Bravo who motivated them, but they came out with energy and on the attack. Even amidst negativity in the media, gossip about Gullit drinking, and relegation. In times like this, a team can come out half hearted or beaten before the game begins, or battle back as an underdog. Chivas came out as the latter.
Chivas attacking paid off and Conejo Brizuela got a goal in the 23rd minute, however it was called off. There was no dispute that he was offsides and that the goal should not have counted. The problem is with the side line ref, in that he hesitated to make the call and had to meet with the head ref to talk and call back the goal after the fact. This can play an issue in the mind of the Chivas players. The goal was scored, a whistle was not blown and Brizuela celebrated with his teammates as he pointed to the heavens. It is a glorious moment to have scored against your arch enemy. Then imagine how Brizuela and Chivas feel after it is ripped away from them. It has to be saddening and depressing. Again Chivas would have to dig deep and self motivate their mind and body to continue playing. This seemed to be the case, but you could tell there was a drop in play. America gained their composure and was able to get more possession and opportunities for attack.
We now know America scored 2 great goals, to take a commanding lead. This again can put a psychological burden on a down and out Chivas team. They still, however, battled and did not give up. They were running on pure passion.
So let’s talk passion. Passion is what brings fans to the stadium. Passion and love for their teams is what makes people yell, cheer and be loyal even through hard times. The deep desire to win is what motivates Chivas or America players to run hard after a ball. And Yes, sadly it can motivate fans to throw obscenities and even objects at the opposing team. It is no surprise to see this happen. Yes it is ugly, but these fans have passion. It may not be properly focused but it is passion. It is this same passion that would make Santos fans insult the Mexican NT hero Giovanni Dos Santos. Even a Chivas fan who threw a cup of beer at CONCACAF Cup hero Paul Aguilar and hit him in the back.
This passion even exists for players to do whatever it takes to win or get an advantage. Paul Aguilar has passion in the instances where he gets stomped on in the corner and proceeds to flop around like Pikolin did in last year’s Liguilla. His goal was fulfilled as the Chivas player got red carded and America took the advantage. He did the same later, when the cup of beer hit his back and he rolled around some more. He want’s to win and this is the type of things that sometimes needs to be done. Is it hated, yes, but it will continue to happen. Just like beers will continue to fly, so lets get over it.
Finally, to touch on a word that is commonly used in spanish, Ardido. This means rustled, upset, salty or many other adjectives that could be used to describe Omar Bravo near the end of the game. You could tell he was frustrated and in one instance he got hacked, fell to the ground and the America player got sent off. He then proceeds to run away and heads straight to Sambueza and hits him chest to chest. This was of course purposefully done as he was heated in the moment. Luckily he did not get carded himself, because he was carrying a yellow previously. This “rustle” on the part of Omar Bravo could have cost him the concentration and cool head he needed in later opportunities he had to score, but failed.
So the mind, emotions can play a huge part in Futbol. This type of passion, energy and competitiveness is what makes this Clasico the best in Mexico. Yes even greater than the Clasico Regio, which may have better teams that are higher on the table, the Clasico Nacional has more on the line, for fans and players.
On the Messi penalty, we talked both sides of if the “provoking” Messi penalty, as well as CR7 comments about the great MSN (Messi, Suarez, Neymar).
Some panelists also rejoiced as Chivas got a CopaMX win vs Leones Negros. Also Toluca came out strong winning their initial Libertadores game.
It was a lot of fun, check it out…
Chivas is in no danger of being relegated… this year. But the toxic cloud of dropping to the lesser divisions has inexplicably spilled into next season as well. And there is no guarantee that the newly promoted team next season will be as awful as Dorados has been this season.
And that means that Chivas might actually have to show a real sense of urgency to avoid the most humiliating of fates: becoming the most popular team in Liga Ascenso.
That sense of urgency that one would normally expect to find when a traditional power finds itself anchored down by the spectre of relegation has been MIA at Chivas central for the better part of the last 3 years. It was front and center for former Mexico coach, Chepo de la Torre. He knew how high the stakes were and managed risk accordingly. He got Chivas to the semis in the C15 liguilla, but started slowly in the A15. Too slowly for Vergara. ¡¡So he brought in an Argentine relegation “fixer” in Mathias Almeida. The results have actually been worse.
There have been some interesting player additions, including a couple of members of Mexico 2014 World Cup side. But neither Isaac Brizuela or Carlos “Gullit” Peña have made the impact one would expect for the transfer fees Chivas paid. Gullit has become the latest scapegoat for Chivas’ woes. He had a bad game against his former team, Leon, yesterday in Chivas’ 1-0 loss; the same Leon team that Gullit never wanted to leave and had to be dragged away kicking and screaming.
“We’ve bottomed out,” a beaten down Almeida said yesterday in the post game presser. If dropping points at home is the cardinal sin of a team in the drop zone, then Chivas has been a staple a the weekly confessional because they have not won at home since September. How can that happen?
Teams don’t fall apart overnight, and Chivas is no different. So how did this happen, Chivas fans? I have my theories…
- No stability or continuity in the coaching ranks or front office.
How many coaches and or general managers has Chivas trotted out over the past few years? Exactly
It may have been good business, and Chicharito has taken full advantage of the opportunity afforded to him. But Chivas is still paying the price for not having an adequate plan to replace their homegrown superstar.
- Omnilife Stadium construction drained the club’s cash reserves
A lot of people, me included, poked fun at Vergara for his avarice in not signing players even with having to pay a premium. Turns out he may not have had the cash to spend anyway. If you believe the rumors, budgeted costs severely underestimated the actual costs. And you wondered why the first playing surface was made of plastic.
- Le divorce
No need to explain this one
- Swinging and missing on player movement
- Terrible PR moves
Granted, this really does not have that much bearing whether or not Chivas drops, but here are just 2 brilliant PR moves that Chivas has made over the past few years.
Announcing a press conference to introduce a newly signed player — you the fan. Denying FMF access to Chivas players for a non-sanctioned friendly only to lose anyway.
- Vergara’s arrogance and unrealistic expectations
This always gets play in the press, but it is more of a deflection of Chivas’ current state than anything else. His team has proved over the past 10 years that it is mediocre at best — so why pretend like it is better than it really is?
Chivas will not be relegated this season, but instability in the front office, poor personnel moves, a coaching carousel, and uncertainty of team ownership, and a consistently under-performing roster of players means that Chivas may be looking at one maybe 2 more seasons of walking the tightrope.
Next season, they may not have a Dorados to break their fall.
Next week Mexico will play the Senegal National Team in Miami, in what surely can be classified as a “Partido Molero”. Wednesday, February 10th is not a FIFA date and we will not see the top Mexican players in Miami. The Mexicans playing in Europe will not be called up, so we will have to enjoy seeing an abundance of LigaMX players.
We may even get the pleasure of seeing the great Pumas goalkeeper, Pikolin Palacios! In an Interview with Fernando Schwartz and Valeria Marin, Jorge Vergara brought up a good point about these types of games in the US. He mentioned and approved of the idea of not having friendlies in the US that are not on FIFA dates. This would mean all friendlies in the US would showcase the Mexican stars playing in Europe, such as Chicharito, Guardado, etc. The games would be entertaining and the fans would get their moneys worth.
It would also mean that new up and comers may never get a chance to put on the “verde”. Players like Alejandro Palacios and others, who we may be able to see next Wednesday, but possibly never in any real tournament such as Copa Oro or Copa America, much less the World Cup. However, is it right to take away the illusion of representing their country, even if it for just a meaningless friendly?
The fact is Chivas is in danger of relegation and giving up players for a “meaningless” friendly could put the team in further problems, especially if injuries occur. It looks like Vergara and Chivas will only offer up Carlos Salcedo, who is suspended anyways from week 5 LigaMX play.
So while no longer playing non FIFA date friendlies may seem like a good idea to some, such as Chivas, in their state of distress, there may be many LigaMX players who would love to put on the El Tri jersey, even if it is only for a few times. As far as the Mexican fans in the US, there are many who will be more than happy to pay high prices for tickets to attend these games, even without the likes of Chicharito or Tecatito.
The Federation will also be happy with a nice increase in the size of their pocketbooks.
Soccer Chronicle will be onsite in Miami covering the game, so stay tuned to our twitter feed for videos, pictures and news from the game.
46 years ago, Mexico staged what many folks believe was the finest World Cup in history, even to this day. The 16 team tournament only needed 5 stadiums to schedule games. The facilities that had the honor were the Estadios Azteca, Jalisco, Cuauhtemoc, Nou Camp, and Toluca’s Bombonera.
Amazingly enough, 46 years later those stadiums are still being used today; they are the home stadiums for America, Atlas, Puebla, Leon, and Toluca. And sure, they have been renovated over the years. Some more than others. One’s bandages are about to be removed.
Puebla’s newly renovated Cuauhtemoc will open its doors for the first time since its face lift this weekend. It was quite the nip and tuck. Even though the new facade has been compared to a commode, it is a marked improvement to a stadium that had been condemned not that long ago.
It could be the start of a new arms race in Liga MX. Monterrey debuted a gorgeous new stadium in time for the Apertura 2015 season. And just last week, Grupo Pachuca announced that they have started discussions about upgrading their playing grounds in Leon, although those talks are in the very preliminary stages. The group is ready to finance the entire deal, provided the State of Guanajuato donates the land. Stay tuned.
A city that is in desperate need of some new digs is Mexico City. Estadio Azteca was quite the marvel in the 1960’s when it opened. It was the inspiration for the modernization of NFL stadiums, with its verticality and multitude of luxury boxes. Despite the occasional face lift, time has not been kind to the Coloso. Has anyone had to use the restrooms there? Before you start hyperventilating and expecting the worst, let’s rip off the band aid early. Yes, it is time to replace the Azteca. It happens. Wembley has been replaced, Highbury as well, as has Yankee Stadium. Their fans survived.
So, it is a question of when, rather than if.
Financing for the projects will most likely be private. There have been a few stadiums that have gone online since Mexico last hosted a World Cup in 1986, each with their own cautionary tale.
The stadium was built as the new home for one of Mexico’s oldest clubs, Necaxa, who moved away from Mexico City. The stadium delivered a modern structure to host games. Unfortunately, the team’s front office could not deliver a team the fans wantd to see. The shininess wore off, fans stopped coming, and Necaxa faded to the second division. Now Necaxa has the Liga Ascenso’s nicest digs. Unless Chivas joins them this summer.
Sometimes private financing can only take you so far. Jorge Vergara has been rumored to lose his shirt in the financing of this stadium, which led to the original playing surface being the fake stuff. But that is only one of the problems. The location is awful. The outrageous Sunday traffic on gameday has caused many Chivas fans to stay away. And the 5pm local start time puts half the stands in direct sunlight. The Stadium itself is wonderful, but there is a lot more to stadiums than just the structure. If you build it, they will not come if it is a huge pain in the ass to do so.
On the surface, Rayados’ new home look spectacular. Gorgeous, shiny, modern, accessible, it seems to have it all. Except for one teency little problem: ventilation. The initial reports from the fans is that the stadium is great, but the air does not move too freely. And anyone who has been to Monterrey in August can attest to the fact that it is oppressively hot. Laredo Hot. Being the creative muchachos, they are, the Rayados fans have dubbed the new stadium la tamalera.
New stadiums are coming to Liga MX, slowly but surely. But even a shiny new bauble doesn’t necessarily guarantee success, as we have seen.
Marco Fabian from Chivas has been sold to German Bundesliga team Eintracht Frankfurt for 4.5 Million. The Chivas goal scorer is well known for putting in some impressive Golazos for the Sacred Herd of Guadalajara, so it will be interesting to see if he can do the same in Germany.
Some say that Fabian has had his ups and downs. He can be considered inconsistent. He could score a screaming goal one game and then proceed to go on a 4 game drought. There is also the discipline issue and his infamous partying and drinking lifestyle. Moving to the “Big Leagues” in Europe may improve his discipline as he will need to impress and work hard to earn respect and most importantly playing time with his new club.
New League, same situation:
While he is leaving Chivas, a club fighting to stay out of relegation/descenso, it appears he is in the same situation with his new club in Bundesliga. Eintracht Frankfurt is in 15th place, 2 spots away from relegation. So not only does he need to impress and work hard for the sake of his career, but also to lift up his team in the Bundesliga Table.
Of course hard work and impressing, is something he can learn from his fellow Paisa in Bundesliga, Chicharito. Javier Hernandez is the epitome of discipline and class, something Fabian should emulate and follow. Things may look up for Fabian in this move. If he can put it all together the right way and score goals on a consistent basis, he can be well on his way to a successful European stint. Chicharito is doing it, so can he.
Chicharito’s success includes a recent hattrick and plenty of goals and assists. He is also secured a starting role with the team. Fabian has a good chance to follow in his success and improve his worth. However, he can’t disappear on the field. He has to make an impact. Critics could say that Chicharito’s success may be due to some of the quality of teams he is up against. Bayer’s most recent win was against a 4th division team. The term slumpbuster may even be mentioned. Supporters could say, he is playing 90 minutes and when given the opportunity, will score. No matter, this is an opportunity of a lifetime for Marco Fabian. He needs to show his worth, gain a starting role and score goals, be a contributor. He has the ability to do it.
Many Mexicans have performed well in Germany, Pavel Pardo being one of the first along with Salcido, and even Maza. This is the time for Marco Fabian to make his mark. If he can, there may be a chance for him to head to the next World Cup.