Special guest @KitMcConnico joined us to talk River Plate and Argentina’s chances in Group D and the WC. The panel also discussed the latest happenings in Liguilla action and of course even Chivas talk took over part of the podcast!
Hey blokes! We had another fun episode. The lads chatted about mid-week CONCACAF Champions League action. America blew out Saprissa, Chivas bead Cibao, Pumas got a CopaMX win, and Cruz Azul makes their fans cry even harder.
This and more on this weeks episode of The CantinaMX podcast!!!
We discuss this and more on this episode of The CantinaMX podcast!
An exciting Weekend of Futbol has just passed and we discuss the events on a Monday late night podcast. It has also been announced that we have changed our name. This is now the CantinaMX Futbol Podcast. Let’s hope a bar fight don’t break out.
In this episode, we talk America win over Chivas. Tigres and Gignac, back in the groove. Sad flute time for Pumas. Much more!
With Puebla failing to get past the first stage, Toluca and UNAM are the only hopes for Mexican clubs in the Copa Libertadores. Both teams have similar defensive styles of play and in the first week, both now have wins.
Toluca played first and was in trouble to start as Moises Velasco got into a bit of a ruckus with Gremio players and was sent off with a Red Card. However, Toluca stayed strong and ended up with a surprising 2-0 win.
The UNAM vs Emelec match was exciting. Pumas came out and scored an immediate goal in the beginning seconds of the game. Ismael Sosa received a nice cross and put it in the back of the net, as Emelec players seemed to fall and failed to clear the cross.
Emelec didnt play bad and came on the attack, playing better for much of the 1st half. Then they tied it 1-1 with a nice play in the center of the field, getting behind the UNAM defense. The scoreline wouldn’t last long as Pumas scored off another nice cross, to a cutting Dario Veron, for the header that bounced once off the ground and fell into the back of the net. Set pieces or crosses would prove to be very effective for Pumas. This of course goes along with the playing style of Pumas in recent times. Long passes, playing vertical and strong gritty defense is what Memo Vasquez has made this Pumas team into.
In the 2nd half David Cabrera for Pumas gets a red card on a dangerous looking tackle. This would result in Emelec getting a goal to tie the game 2-2. Pumas just wasn’t having it though, as another set piece would enable the felines to take the lead again 3-2, with a header from Gerardo Alcoba. Pumas looking like the USMNT with all this grit, set pieces and excellent goalkeeping.
Pumas would finish the scoreline off with a final goal to make it 4-2, which was actually an own goal off a cross from the right side.
It is worth noting that Pikolin Palacios had an excellent game, blocking many hard shots taken by Emelec. His athleticism, reflexes and quckness saved Puma hide on multiple occasions. After having a semi-bad game last weekend vs Dorados, he came back with avengance. He must still have hunger for some National Team minutes.
In yesterday’s episode of the Dos a Zero podcast, we talked about how these teams could have good performances in the tournament, even though expectations may not be too high. Both these teams are in the mid to lower half of the LigaMX table, and it may be a good idea to put Libertadores as a potentially higher priority, if LigaMX hopes don’t pan out.
We will watch closely how these teams continue to fare as the tournament progresses.
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Full disclosure: The title is not one of mine. I wish. No that belongs to Darrel Royal, Texas coaching legend, and a man with a long list of quotables. Pumas coach Memo Vasquez would also be happy with the title. But he did not take to heart with one of Darrel’s most famous axioms:
you dance with who brung you
You can understand his motives to playing with 3 holding midfielders vs America in their second leg of the Liga MX semis. 3 away goal advantage, the stiffest defense in Liga MX. They had the chops to bend and not break for 90 minutes. So why did they break after 20 minutes and 2 goals from Darwin “the Goal Scientist” Quintero?
There was plenty of disconnect. And Complacency? Oh yeah? Add to that a Club America team that was hellbent on scoring the 4 goals they needed to advance, and it was very nearly a historic, calamitous, unforgivable collapse.
Luckily for Pumas, Memo Vasquez moved quickly to start dancing with who brung him to this point, and the team settled down enough to squeak through to the final. It wasn’t the prettiest way to go through. Their performance was awful, actually. The worst they played all season. But in the end, the result is what mattered.
But not in Mexico.
In a league where style and spectacle is almost as (and in some cases more) important as the result, Pumas committed a mortal sin: they played to defend a result, not to look for one. The post game presser was a somber affair where the underlying tone was one of defeat, not making their 13th final since being promoted in the early 60’s. As coach Royal said
I learned this about coaching: You don’t have to explain victory and you can’t explain defeat.
The reporters were baffled as to why Pumas betrayed the 3G philosophy that all teams, championship or otherwise, are apparently obligated to adhere to in Mexico: ganar, gustar, y golear.
Did Pumas play badly? Of course they did. But their 3-goal lead gave them the luxury of rolling out a real stinker and still eliminating their cross-town rivals. In other words they had their worst performance of the season, and in the end the result was what mattered.
This was an exciting episode, because we decided to start it right after the Pumas vs America game and while the Tigres vs Toluca game was going on.
You all know how the Pumas vs America game went, so you can imagine certain panelist’s jimmies were most definitely rustled. He had his say and may have spurred a blog post from fellow panelist which you can read here.
My take is, the ref made a mistake by calling the early Pumas goal off. Britos was not offsides and Veron converging in, did not interfere with Moises and was not involved in the play. The call may have been that Britos was offside, and in that case it was wrong. The call could have also been that Veron was interferred, but he was not between Moises and the ball. The ball went so quickly past Moises and Veron that none of them could have done anything to change its trajectory. Clearly a bad call.
No matter, you have to fight through bad calls. It was expected for America to be on attack and to have posession. This an elimination tournament and not a regular season game like had been previously played a couple weeks earlier. It was intense. Memories of Goltz and other Americanistas proving to be hot heads came back. It was a heated and physical game. One stat is that America is the team with the most bookings(red/yellow cards). No change here.
Another stat, in the entire game America had 1 shot on frame. The UNAM defense was strong. I recall seeing cross after cross get headed by a Universitario. First touch and defensive posture was strong with UNAM. Some may say that America possessed and attacked, but didn’t put Pikolin in real danger.
Then came the Red cards. As a result open space for the speedsters, Fidel, Sosa and Britos. Even Lalo Herrera came up big with a very nice Cabezazo!
Anyways, we also talked the Neymar showboating issue we have been arguing about. The Real Pundits that claim they would have done the same as Isco and fouled Neymar for acting a fool. I’ll let you have a listen for our differing takes.
We also had some play by play on the Tigres vs Toluca game. All in all a great night for Futbol and good discussion.